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Post by cosmo34 on Aug 2, 2009 18:30:45 GMT -8
You really are something else. That post was so full of ridiculous I don't know where to begin. Nothing you just said has anything to do with emulating the best's on field play. Just more rambling about nothing. Honestly, what does that have to do with the topic at hand? What’s it have to do with the topic at hand? It is the topic at hand! You want kids to emulate MLB players, and I think there’s more to it than that, so one must be careful. How about being out to dinner with your family and seeing one of the premiere players in the game sitting at the next table, and sending your son over to get a graciously given autograph. Then later during dinner, that same player goes off on a tirade about an dirty expletive official scorer who cheated him out of a expletive base hit that cheated him out of .003 expletive, expletive points on his BA, and has his mom and dad agreeing with him! That’s the danger of emulating ML players! You and I may take everything into consideration, but little kids often can’t, so you don’t just get the hustle and technique displayed, you get the warts too! It tastes like out of desperation you found a school out of thousands that matched what you wanted to prove. But, even if you found that they all played all their games when HS players could get out there to watch, how many would do it? Some would to be sure, but not the kind of numbers that would make much of a difference. The fact would still remain exactly what I said. It would be easier to watch a ML game on TV than going to a college or a HS game. It wasn’t like that when I was a kid because there were only at most a few games a week on TV. Lots on the radio, but that doesn’t help teach anyone anything about baseball skills other than what the announcer passed on, because its all left to the imagination. Back then our LLLrs would go to the HS games, and although there weren’t many colleges around, there were literally scads of semi-pro teams playing all the time during the summer. If there was even just 1 HS ball player in 10 that went to college games, most schools, wouldn’t have stadiums big enough to hold the crowds! Look, if you want kids to watch ML players and do exactly as they do, you go on and do it. If I had my druthers, I pick something more within their grasp. It just 2 different philosophies, and evidently it kills you that I won’t kowtow to you and say your right. No, we are discussing emulation of on field play. Nothing more, nothing less. You dove into the other crap because you couldn't find any other way to refute that point. You wanna talk about emulation of the off field stuff and the dangers that come with it, then make a different thread. That is just pathetic. You do realize that Brett played for UCLA, right? He would know better than anyone on here of how and when college games are played. Go ahead, look up any other D1 school and see when their games are played. I played in the lower levels, and even with our travel and budget limitations, we still played the majority of our games on the weekends. As always, you refute everything with nothing more than your "opinion". Never, ever use facts. You didn't say anything of substance to what me and Brett said about when the college games are played, just "baloney". UCLA player 42 of 56 on Fri-Sun. Texas played 42 on Fri-Sun. Arizona St played 42 on Fri-Sun. Iowa played 39 on Fri-Sun. Tennessee played 41 on Fri-Sun. Now those are 5 schools, and from all over the country. Counting Miami, that's 6. Want me to keep going? I can list every division 1 team if that's what it takes for you to see that you are completely dead wrong about this. I'd probably stop speaking about things you obviously know nothing about. Go ahead, find me ONE. JUST ONE D1 team that DOES NOT play close to 75% of it's games on weekends. PLEASE DO. I'd love to see it.
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Post by cosmo34 on Aug 2, 2009 18:32:33 GMT -8
"It just 2 different philosophies, and evidently it kills you that I won’t kowtow to you and say your right."
I could care less what you do. You wanna be wrong about, then go right ahead. No sweat off my back. Doesn't mean I'm going to listen to your nonsense.
Now go find me a D1 team that doesn't play the majority of it's games on the weekends.
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Post by Brett on Aug 2, 2009 20:05:20 GMT -8
I got to see him play ever day, or rather almost every day DirecTv or MLB.com had Indian’s game on. Plus, I’ve received tapes or every STO during the baseball season, as well as every other TV show about the Tribe. I’ve been retired since 1980, so I’ve had plenty of time to watch plenty of games, and I’ll bet large sums I got to see Omar practice and take pre-game more than you. And you still think kids should not emulate him? Be sure that you do. Also tell Rob Rinaldi, Guy Pedroia, and Dustin I say hello. They are all good people. Any proof that they don't? Your whole argument is crap. Any kid with a driver's license and a passion for the game in Northern Cali can go to a college game at least once a week if they wanted to. Its not because they can't. Nothing you will say will change my mind about emulating big leaguers on the field.
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Post by Brett on Aug 2, 2009 20:12:09 GMT -8
That’s exactly the kind of thinking that caused so many kids to start juicing! After all, since the ML’rs were doing it, it had to be a good thing! How much fun is it to see kids adjusting and re-adjusting their Sensible batting gloves like Mike Hargrove, and dragging the game on? The trouble with kids emulating MLB players is, the guys they’re emulating are full grown adults making more money than most kids could ever imagine and living a lifestyle that's inconcievable. You can’t say only emulate the way they field routine grounders because kids can’t turn it off or on like it was a switch. I suppose if a kid beats up his girlfriend, carries a gun, juices up, or gets caught with a K of grass, its ok if his excuse is his heroes were doing it, and he was just emulating them. This is a joke right? Are we supposed to be laughing? You took this from emulating Omar Vizquel fielding a ground ball to juicing, domestic violence, and drug use. Honestly, are you serious? To each their own...but as for me, I have confidence in parents to instill moral values in them, along with be able to discern between fielding of a ground ball properly and not beating your girlfriend. Amazing.
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Post by callyjr on Sept 16, 2010 20:41:05 GMT -8
We are lucky enough up here in the NW to have one of the best infielding coaches in the nation, My boy has been to 5 or 6 camps in the last couple years, its funny watching a local HS or college game or even our local AAA team hearing my boy say he flips it as the SS fields a ball or he didn't sink his hips on that back hand yet I never hear him say those things when watching a MLB game on the tube. I think watching the pros fielding are the guys you want to learn from. When a kind sir pro makes an off the field blunder it can be used as a lesson, but when a HS kid reaches for a backhand instead of sinking his hips and letting the ball travel your not teaching your kid anything.
It was embarrassing watching one of our local HS teams last year, the SS didn't even know how to approach a ball right foot left foot, no fundamentals taught or learned.
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Post by Brett on Sept 17, 2010 7:09:22 GMT -8
Cally,
Where in the NW are you located?
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Post by callyjr on Sept 17, 2010 8:38:34 GMT -8
Cally, Where in the NW are you located? south from you in Vancouver WA, I'm talking about coach Stubbs
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Post by dominik on Sept 22, 2010 14:04:55 GMT -8
What’s it have to do with the topic at hand? It is the topic at hand! You want kids to emulate MLB players, and I think there’s more to it than that, so one must be careful. How about being out to dinner with your family and seeing one of the premiere players in the game sitting at the next table, and sending your son over to get a graciously given autograph. Then later during dinner, that same player goes off on a tirade about an dirty expletive official scorer who cheated him out of a expletive base hit that cheated him out of .003 expletive, expletive points on his BA, and has his mom and dad agreeing with him! That’s the danger of emulating ML players! You and I may take everything into consideration, but little kids often can’t, so you don’t just get the hustle and technique displayed, you get the warts too! It tastes like out of desperation you found a school out of thousands that matched what you wanted to prove. But, even if you found that they all played all their games when HS players could get out there to watch, how many would do it? Some would to be sure, but not the kind of numbers that would make much of a difference. The fact would still remain exactly what I said. It would be easier to watch a ML game on TV than going to a college or a HS game. It wasn’t like that when I was a kid because there were only at most a few games a week on TV. Lots on the radio, but that doesn’t help teach anyone anything about baseball skills other than what the announcer passed on, because its all left to the imagination. Back then our LLLrs would go to the HS games, and although there weren’t many colleges around, there were literally scads of semi-pro teams playing all the time during the summer. If there was even just 1 HS ball player in 10 that went to college games, most schools, wouldn’t have stadiums big enough to hold the crowds! Look, if you want kids to watch ML players and do exactly as they do, you go on and do it. If I had my druthers, I pick something more within their grasp. It just 2 different philosophies, and evidently it kills you that I won’t kowtow to you and say your right. No, we are discussing emulation of on field play. Nothing more, nothing less. You dove into the other crap because you couldn't find any other way to refute that point. You wanna talk about emulation of the off field stuff and the dangers that come with it, then make a different thread. That is just pathetic. You do realize that Brett played for UCLA, right? He would know better than anyone on here of how and when college games are played. Go ahead, look up any other D1 school and see when their games are played. I played in the lower levels, and even with our travel and budget limitations, we still played the majority of our games on the weekends. As always, you refute everything with nothing more than your "opinion". Never, ever use facts. You didn't say anything of substance to what me and Brett said about when the college games are played, just "baloney". UCLA player 42 of 56 on Fri-Sun. Texas played 42 on Fri-Sun. Arizona St played 42 on Fri-Sun. Iowa played 39 on Fri-Sun. Tennessee played 41 on Fri-Sun. Now those are 5 schools, and from all over the country. Counting Miami, that's 6. Want me to keep going? I can list every division 1 team if that's what it takes for you to see that you are completely dead wrong about this. I'd probably stop speaking about things you obviously know nothing about. Go ahead, find me ONE. JUST ONE D1 team that DOES NOT play close to 75% of it's games on weekends. PLEASE DO. I'd love to see it. they have to study on work days, so they play at the weekends:D
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