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Post by wogdoggy on Feb 3, 2010 10:01:59 GMT -8
HELP..
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Post by deemax on Feb 3, 2010 12:52:19 GMT -8
wog
Are you worried they are lifting to much, incorrectly, or too soon?
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Post by encinitas on Feb 3, 2010 13:40:05 GMT -8
Can't help you wog my kid lifts heavy (15/Freshman).
Not sure what you are worried about if his form is good, he'll be fine. More kids have growth plate/overuse problems from playing baseball than lifting weights.
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Post by wogdoggy on Feb 3, 2010 13:50:38 GMT -8
wog Are you worried they are lifting to much, incorrectly, or too soon? 300 |
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Post by Brett on Feb 3, 2010 14:52:23 GMT -8
I just dont want to cut my younger kids growth off too soon because a baseball coach thinks he'll play better baseball by squatting 300 Do you think he'll play baseball better if he is 6'1" rather than 5'10"? I think age 16 is a great time to start lifting if he has not already been doing so. There is no substitute for strength, and the higher up you play, the stronger every guy gets. I understand that you don't want to stunt his growth, but lifting weights will have very little, if any effect on that IMO. What would you rather he do, sit and not lift just in case he might grow an extra inch? |
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Post by wogdoggy on Feb 3, 2010 18:16:05 GMT -8
I just dont want to cut my younger kids growth off too soon because a baseball coach thinks he'll play better baseball by squatting 300 Do you think he'll play baseball better if he is 6'1" rather than 5'10"? I think age 16 is a great time to start lifting if he has not already been doing so. There is no substitute for strength, and the higher up you play, the stronger every guy gets. I understand that you don't want to stunt his growth, but lifting weights will have very little, if any effect on that IMO. What would you rather he do, sit and not lift just in case he might grow an extra inch? 2 maybe 3 ,,look at all the ladies he may have to look up to versus look down at...LOL...  you gotta think long term brett. 99.9 percent of us all will get around the other bases before the ones at wrigley  ;D I cant see how lifting could NOT effect a growing body,, lol |
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Post by Brett on Feb 3, 2010 22:26:56 GMT -8
My whole point is, if you had to pick, would you want him to be tall or strong?
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Post by deemax on Feb 4, 2010 5:34:50 GMT -8
Wog,
I understand where you are coming from. When I was younger my Dad was from the school of thought that baseball players shouldn't lift, and that it would hurt their game. He only wanted me to throw around my body weight. I didn't get big into the weight room until I was about 25.... I should have been big into earlier IMO.
I'm not advocating a kid get out there and see if can bench 405 every day, but a good sound training regimen should be encouraged.
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Post by deemax on Feb 4, 2010 5:36:54 GMT -8
Can't help you wog my kid lifts heavy (15/Freshman). Not sure what you are worried about if his form is good, he'll be fine. More kids have growth plate/overuse problems from playing baseball than lifting weights. Enc, Out of curiousity, what kind of weight is he throwing around? |
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Post by Brett on Feb 4, 2010 9:03:41 GMT -8
My whole point is, if you had to pick, would you want him to be tall or strong? tall anyday..you can always get strong but you cant always get tall he was sitting around with the coach he told the coach he didnt think ted williams and stan the man lifted weights..the coach told him he could drop strength training if he wanted to and take team sports..I told him dont worry about playing for a guy like him anyway.we'll play tourney ball this summer So he's not going to play high school ball this spring? |
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Post by 101mph on Feb 4, 2010 9:30:45 GMT -8
At 16 I see no reason to be concerned about weight training. As long as he is using correct form and not lifting so much that his form is compromised he should be fine.
At his age the stunted growth myth is...just a myth.
He can only benefit from a well structured training program.
To throw away his sophomore HS season seems like an extreme reaction.
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Post by Brett on Feb 4, 2010 10:02:52 GMT -8
who knows But i told him not to worry about it either way..he plays golf as well and the baseball program here is taken over by a 23 year old kid who attended the school played in college and is now back to save the program by weight training and the fence drill..lotsa kids have quit already before the year even started..they are already lifting weights EVERYDAY for NEXT years football season.. Like I said, strength is the name of the game. If he enjoys golf more and/or is better at it than baseball, I would encourage him that way. Just keep in mind that even in golf, weight training is becoming more and more the norm. You are right that football is king when it comes to scholarships. Football and basketball can account for almost every player recruited getting a full ride where Division I baseball has 11.7 scholarships to spread around the best way they can. However, if your son is a better baseball player than any other sport then that should be 'king' in his world. If he is, then his odds of getting a piece of that 11.7 are a heck of a lot better than getting a football or basketball ride. I also don't understand how someone can 'BARELY' get a scholarship. Does that mean that his scholarship accounts for less than any other JUCO player under scholarship? You either get a scholarship or you don't. There are different percentages of scholarships, but a scholarship is a scholarship is a scholarship. I'm sure if that shortstop is good enough to play DI he will get his chance, but just because you are the best SS in your league does not automatically mean you are a DI prospect. |
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Post by 101mph on Feb 4, 2010 10:43:59 GMT -8
see He's NOT 16 not until august..he's a full year younger and on a GROWTH spurt 3 easily maybe 4 inches from last year..why take a chance on stopping that? he's not throwing anything away ..either the coach takes him for his baseball skills or he doesnt..if he doesnt take him because hes not on their weight lifting program so be it..go find another kid.. Stop what? Lifting weights will not stunt your child's growth. Besides he doesn't have to go in there and kill himself. If he were to go in there and train with a " reasonable" amount of weight, take squats for instance since you are deathly afraid of them, if he starts squatting HALF of his body weight for 3 sets of 10 reps, this won't hurt him or his growth at all. He's your kid, and you do what you want...but at least get informed. |
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Post by wogdoggy on Feb 4, 2010 11:08:11 GMT -8
see He's NOT 16 not until august..he's a full year younger and on a GROWTH spurt 3 easily maybe 4 inches from last year..why take a chance on stopping that? he's not throwing anything away ..either the coach takes him for his baseball skills or he doesnt..if he doesnt take him because hes not on their weight lifting program so be it..go find another kid.. Stop what? Lifting weights will not stunt your child's growth. Besides he doesn't have to go in there and kill himself. If he were to go in there and train with a " reasonable" amount of weight, take squats for instance since you are deathly afraid of them, if he starts squatting HALF of his body weight for 3 sets of 10 reps, this won't hurt him or his growth at all. He's your kid, and you do what you want...but at least get informed. I got informed when i watched my other kid stop on a dime when he started lifting...tightening muscle around open growth plates is not reccomended ,,aint worth it..talked to too many physical therapists on this one..AT LEAST 16 minimal age |
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Post by wogdoggy on Feb 4, 2010 11:11:56 GMT -8
who knows But i told him not to worry about it either way..he plays golf as well and the baseball program here is taken over by a 23 year old kid who attended the school played in college and is now back to save the program by weight training and the fence drill..lotsa kids have quit already before the year even started..they are already lifting weights EVERYDAY for NEXT years football season.. Like I said, strength is the name of the game. If he enjoys golf more and/or is better at it than baseball, I would encourage him that way. Just keep in mind that even in golf, weight training is becoming more and more the norm. You are right that football is king when it comes to scholarships. Football and basketball can account for almost every player recruited getting a full ride where Division I baseball has 11.7 scholarships to spread around the best way they can. However, if your son is a better baseball player than any other sport then that should be 'king' in his world. If he is, then his odds of getting a piece of that 11.7 are a heck of a lot better than getting a football or basketball ride. I also don't understand how someone can 'BARELY' get a scholarship. Does that mean that his scholarship accounts for less than any other JUCO player under scholarship? You either get a scholarship or you don't. There are different percentages of scholarships, but a scholarship is a scholarship is a scholarship. I'm sure if that shortstop is good enough to play DI he will get his chance, but just because you are the best SS in your league does not automatically mean you are a DI prospect. when you look at the amount of big schools in our league,,, you would think the all conference stud would get a ride to a d1 school...he finally "found" a school that would pay his way and its a community college..the all conference players in football are usually attending much nicer schools for free,,.. |
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you gotta think long term brett.
;D