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Post by deemax on Apr 15, 2009 19:09:50 GMT -8
This is a chicken bleep offensive set that is easy to defend if your pitchers keep their heads out of their arse...
If your coaching, and struggling with this defensively let me know.
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Post by emanskisheroes on Apr 16, 2009 5:53:23 GMT -8
We don't necessarily struggle with this, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.
We basically always do the pump and hold from the catcher because they don't really possess the arm strength or accuracy to put other plays on. Sure, if other teams figure this out, they'll always run, but I'm willing to live with that possibility.
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Post by melliott on Apr 17, 2009 6:29:45 GMT -8
We use about five different "plays."
From the stretch - (1) fake pick at third then turn and pick at first (never works). (2) straight pick at first (occasionally works).
Following the pitch - (1) throw down to second that is cut off by 2nd baseman hoping to catch the runner on third breaking or too far off third (rarely works) (2) catcher pump fakes to 2nd and throws to 3rd (actually has worked, but not often) (3) catcher makes hard throw back to pitcher, who turns and throws to third hoping to catch the runner leaning (never works). (4) or depending on the situation, straight throw down to second (50% success rate).
This is 12u. If you have something magical, I would love to hear it. ;D
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Post by Brett on Apr 17, 2009 6:49:12 GMT -8
I won't speak to all of the play we used in college with this, but one we did use that I know was effective was in situations where the game is close...
If we feel that the team is going to try and get a cheap run by having the runner at first go then stop halfway in hopes of getting in a rundown, we would simply throw the ball to whoever was covering (ss or 2b), and they would walk the runner back to first while keeping his eye on the runner at third.
They want us to run after the runner at first because then the runner at third can be more aggressive and try to take home. If the ss or 2b over-commits to the runner at first by creating a rundown, it will become harder for them to throw accurately to home because they are running, not walking, under control.
Our thinking was that the runner at first is giving himself up to let the runner at third score. Defensively, all we wanted to do was to walk that guy back to first, give a middle finger (so to speak) to the other team, and get back to the at-bat.
Now if we are up by more than a few late in the game, we will simply throw down and try to get the runner out. If they are willing to trade outs for runs late, we will take them because we know that outs are critical. But in this situation, we don't want to give up a run yet we aren't so desperate for an out we will get out of control and let a run score.
Control is the name of the game. Have your feet under you and make sure that if that runner breaks for home that you can line up and make a good, accurate throw home.
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Post by HYP on Apr 17, 2009 10:20:48 GMT -8
I won't speak to all of the play we used in college with this, but one we did use that I know was effective was in situations where the game is close... If we feel that the team is going to try and get a cheap run by having the runner at first go then stop halfway in hopes of getting in a rundown, we would simply throw the ball to whoever was covering (ss or 2b), and they would walk the runner back to first while keeping his eye on the runner at third. They want us to run after the runner at first because then the runner at third can be more aggressive and try to take home. If the ss or 2b over-commits to the runner at first by creating a rundown, it will become harder for them to throw accurately to home because they are running, not walking, under control. Our thinking was that the runner at first is giving himself up to let the runner at third score. Defensively, all we wanted to do was to walk that guy back to first, give a middle finger (so to speak) to the other team, and get back to the at-bat. Now if we are up by more than a few late in the game, we will simply throw down and try to get the runner out. If they are willing to trade outs for runs late, we will take them because we know that outs are critical. But in this situation, we don't want to give up a run yet we aren't so desperate for an out we will get out of control and let a run score. Control is the name of the game. Have your feet under you and make sure that if that runner breaks for home that you can line up and make a good, accurate throw home. What I have done in this situation. Runner stops half way to start a run down. Generally happens on a leave early by runner on first. Hoping to cause a balk. What I have my 2nd baseman do is to go straigh towards the catcher. Stepping to the infeild side of the base path. We throw the ball to the 2nd baseman. What we have done is shorten the distance between the runner and the ball. we have also shortened the distance our feilder has to throw if the runner on 3rd breaks home. What normally happens. Runner on 1st stops half way thinking that the ball is going to 2nd base. We throw the ball right where he stopped at, to our 2nd baseman. he doesn't know what to do we tag him out. Runner on 3rd doesn't know what to do because he was thinking the pitcher was going to run at the runner between first and second or throw the ball to 2nd base. The play ends up happening so quick, we get the out on the runner from first and hold the runner on 3rd. Best case scenerio we get the out of runner from first and runner on 3rd panics and takes off and we get both. |
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Post by deemax on Apr 18, 2009 18:56:09 GMT -8
HYP,
solid.
The only thing I would like to add is having the pitcher freeze the runner at third before giving it up to 2nd.
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Post by callyjr on Sept 16, 2010 21:16:16 GMT -8
with 10yr olds this year we would have the 2B come in between the pitcher and 2nd, 2B job to watch the runner at 3rd, if the runner at 3rd takes off or looks like they are taking off then 2B takes throw and gets runner at 3B or home(1st time we did this my 2B got so excited he threw the ball in the dirt but would have had the kid by 10 feet), if runner at 3B is frozen then throw goes threw hopefully for a tag out. it worked both ways for us this year, playing up in a 12U tourney in a tight game opposing coach tried taking 2nd and we threw the kid out, their coach looked a little pissed. Takes lots of practice though, have given up a few runs when SS misses ball into center as well or 2B doesn't read the play and kid scores from 3rd anyway.
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Post by stinky on Feb 12, 2014 16:59:34 GMT -8
One play that I have not tried but read about was pitcher pick's to 3b. F5 isn't holding runner on he just breaks to the bag. Runner is going to to try and take 2nd usually. You can go for the out at 2nd or pump fake to 2nd and try to get the runner on third.
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