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Post by deemax on Jul 21, 2009 4:19:45 GMT -8
What are the stats for this at the high school level?
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Post by scorekeeper on Jul 21, 2009 9:24:48 GMT -8
What are the stats for this at the high school level? Its unfortunate that there aren’t more HS stat guys, or stat guys at any level, who track that. To me it’s the best teaching tool in the world for showing pitchers they need to walk or hit as few as possible. I don’t know how to upload an attachment here, but I ran some numbers for you from my records and stuck them on my site. I do this stat for our pitchers as individuals, and for our opponent pitchers as a group. The 1st 2 pages are for the HS team I score for, and include data for the last 3 HSV seasons. The 2nd 2 pages are for the Jr Legion team I’m scoring for this summer. The 3rd 2 pages are from my boy’s HS career. Unfortunately, back then I didn’t do hits scored, ROE scored, or ROFC scored, but the BB’s and HBPs are there. www.infosports.com/scorekeeper/images/4dee.pdfAny questions or suggestions are always welcome.  |
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Post by scorekeeper on Jul 22, 2009 8:27:48 GMT -8
Sk Do you by any chance have a history of the Saves rules over the past 40 yers or so. Thanks K This is the best I can do. It looks like if you want the actual text of the original rule and the changes, you’ll have to do a lot more diggin’. 1969 - The save rule was added to the official rules for the first time.
1973 - A reliever is credited with a save for "protecting" a lead.
1974 - The save rule is amended slightly; no save is to be credited to a pitcher unless the tying run was on base or at the plate or unless he pitched three effective innings. (Before this a reliever was given a save if he maintained the lead, no matter what the score when he arrived.)
1975 - The save is refined once more: if the tying run is on deck, a pitcher is credited with a save. |
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Post by scorekeeper on Jul 23, 2009 11:54:54 GMT -8
SK If a pitcher makes an error that causes a run is the run still unearned? Thanks Kharma Absolutely. IMO, the logic is that as soon as the pitcher disengages, he becomes a fielder, so at that time it really doesn’t have anything to do with pitching. Here’s the mother of all rules on the subject. OBR - 10.16 Earned Runs And Runs Allowed
(e) An error by a pitcher is treated exactly the same as an error by any other fielder in computing earned runs. |
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Post by kinexus on Jul 23, 2009 15:08:17 GMT -8
Wow! Seems like all relief rules were changed during Dr.Marshalls reign of relief dominance? Must just be a coincidence!
Kharma,
This is why if a HS full Marshall pitcher is holding someone on he must step off (rule was changed like many in HS) to go over which puts him on the field so if he throws the ball away OB the runner gets 2 bags instead of 1.
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Post by scorekeeper on Jul 24, 2009 13:34:00 GMT -8
Wow! Seems like all relief rules were changed during Dr.Marshalls reign of relief dominance? Must just be a coincidence!
Kharma,This is why if a HS full Marshall pitcher is holding someone on he must step off (rule was changed like many in HS) to go over which puts him on the field so if he throws the ball away OB the runner gets 2 bags instead of 1. I don’t know how much truth there is to any anecdotal evidence, but I’ve heard from several sources that the main reason behind saves had to do with lowering the mound and realizing that pitchers wouldn’t be as likely to last an entire games the way they once had been. But be that as it may, what does this post have to do with statistics? If you want to start another MM discussion, please take it out of this forum and into one of the other ones. This particular forum is just getting started and needs to stay away from the typical MM threads that drone on and on but seldom seem to end and often get very adversarial. I enjoy a MM fray as much as anyone, but not if it hijacks other thread. FYI, as far as I know, nothing about HS rules has been posted here. The save rules I. posted were from OBR, not NFHS. |
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