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Post by wogdoggy on Feb 23, 2011 13:16:11 GMT -8
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Post by Brett on Feb 23, 2011 15:40:49 GMT -8
Where to start? The little white lies coaches tell recruits (and how to know what they really mean)Coaches that promise you will start, hit cleanup, or start on the bump on Friday's are probably suspect...basically if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Top recruiting disasters and how to avoid themToo many to count here, but basically it goes back to promises. If what they tell you is not in writing (a la scholarship money), there are no guarantees. Also, I think you and your kid should consider what is most important to you. Is it academics? Playing Time? Having a chance at Omaha? There is no right answer as it depends on the individual, but I feel you have to prioritize what you want and go from there. What no one tells you about athletic scholarshipsThere's only 11.7 of them in DI, so unless you are worthy of starting as a freshman, you likely won't be getting much, if anything. There's a big difference between being 'on scholarship,' and having a full ride. Almost any school can pay for your books and not be hit much in that 11.7. You must remember that even if you get that, you still have tuition, room and board, etc. Some important questions you might not know to askI think it's more about having questions prepared if you have the opportunity to ask them. The more you ask, the better feel you get of what you are getting yourself into. How parents can help and hurt in the recruiting processI think they hurt if they get more caught up in it then their kid. You should be there to support and give input when he needs it. When it comes down to it, if he has the privilege of getting to choose where he goes to play ball, it is his call. In short, I would save your $10...if you have further questions ask away and I'd be more than happy to help.
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Post by wogdoggy on Jun 8, 2011 9:53:50 GMT -8
Where to start? The little white lies coaches tell recruits (and how to know what they really mean)Coaches that promise you will start, hit cleanup, or start on the bump on Friday's are probably suspect...basically if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Top recruiting disasters and how to avoid themToo many to count here, but basically it goes back to promises. If what they tell you is not in writing (a la scholarship money), there are no guarantees. Also, I think you and your kid should consider what is most important to you. Is it academics? Playing Time? Having a chance at Omaha? There is no right answer as it depends on the individual, but I feel you have to prioritize what you want and go from there. What no one tells you about athletic scholarshipsThere's only 11.7 of them in DI, so unless you are worthy of starting as a freshman, you likely won't be getting much, if anything. There's a big difference between being 'on scholarship,' and having a full ride. Almost any school can pay for your books and not be hit much in that 11.7. You must remember that even if you get that, you still have tuition, room and board, etc. Some important questions you might not know to askI think it's more about having questions prepared if you have the opportunity to ask them. The more you ask, the better feel you get of what you are getting yourself into. How parents can help and hurt in the recruiting processI think they hurt if they get more caught up in it then their kid. You should be there to support and give input when he needs it. When it comes down to it, if he has the privilege of getting to choose where he goes to play ball, it is his call. In short, I would save your $10...if you have further questions ask away and I'd be more than happy to help. Brett,lil woggy got invited by his high school coach to a junior invitational here in the chicago area.Only about 2 kids per team get to go per conference.then each conference plays each other.there are about 70 pitchers and 200 kids total.each pitcher will get about 2 innings.lat year there were 125 college and pro scouts that were in attendance.My boy is not a top prospect by any means whatsoever.he's a right that tops at 84 this junior year.He's 6 foot and about 150. last year every kid from our school got some sort of offer.I am not sure if junior will want to play for some d 3 school in the middle of nowhere and i certainly do not blame him.Are there ant tips you can give him for a good showing? I know the radar guns all come out on EVERY pitch so I KNOW speed is IMPORTANT and BODY LANGUAGE too.Would it be wrong to start batter off with a curve ball and junk him to death? i hear at d3 speed and grades are all that matter.Anything you or anyone else can add that can help him "look" better?
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Post by Brett on Jun 8, 2011 13:21:39 GMT -8
Brett,lil woggy got invited by his high school coach to a junior invitational here in the chicago area.Only about 2 kids per team get to go per conference.then each conference plays each other.there are about 70 pitchers and 200 kids total.each pitcher will get about 2 innings.lat year there were 125 college and pro scouts that were in attendance.My boy is not a top prospect by any means whatsoever.he's a right that tops at 84 this junior year.He's 6 foot and about 150. last year every kid from our school got some sort of offer.I am not sure if junior will want to play for some d 3 school in the middle of nowhere and i certainly do not blame him.Are there ant tips you can give him for a good showing? I know the radar guns all come out on EVERY pitch so I KNOW speed is IMPORTANT and BODY LANGUAGE too.Would it be wrong to start batter off with a curve ball and junk him to death? i hear at d3 speed and grades are all that matter.Anything you or anyone else can add that can help him "look" better? Wog, Bottom line is that if you feel the need to 'change' his approach just because there are scouts in the stands then you should think about his overall approach. That is the problem with showcases...they create a mindset of changing your approach to impress a coach in an inning or two. Many scouts will vouch for the fact that showcases have gone a long way in hindering the development of players. When I say 'players,' I mean players who know how to play the game. Showcases are there to show your tools, not how you use them to win ballgames. There is value in showing off your tools, but if you have to change your approach to show them, then you will go backwards as a player. I would encourage little Wog to pitch confidently and to his strengths, whatever they may be. Every kid from your sons school got an offer last year? Really? Don't make me call you out on that Wog...I need details.
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Post by wogdoggy on Jun 9, 2011 7:26:53 GMT -8
Brett,lil woggy got invited by his high school coach to a junior invitational here in the chicago area.Only about 2 kids per team get to go per conference.then each conference plays each other.there are about 70 pitchers and 200 kids total.each pitcher will get about 2 innings.lat year there were 125 college and pro scouts that were in attendance.My boy is not a top prospect by any means whatsoever.he's a right that tops at 84 this junior year.He's 6 foot and about 150. last year every kid from our school got some sort of offer.I am not sure if junior will want to play for some d 3 school in the middle of nowhere and i certainly do not blame him.Are there ant tips you can give him for a good showing? I know the radar guns all come out on EVERY pitch so I KNOW speed is IMPORTANT and BODY LANGUAGE too.Would it be wrong to start batter off with a curve ball and junk him to death? i hear at d3 speed and grades are all that matter.Anything you or anyone else can add that can help him "look" better? Wog, Bottom line is that if you feel the need to 'change' his approach just because there are scouts in the stands then you should think about his overall approach. That is the problem with showcases...they create a mindset of changing your approach to impress a coach in an inning or two. Many scouts will vouch for the fact that showcases have gone a long way in hindering the development of players. When I say 'players,' I mean players who know how to play the game. Showcases are there to show your tools, not how you use them to win ballgames. There is value in showing off your tools, but if you have to change your approach to show them, then you will go backwards as a player. I would encourage little Wog to pitch confidently and to his strengths, whatever they may be. Every kid from your sons school got an offer last year? Really? Don't make me call you out on that Wog...I need details. there were 3 kids sent 2 pitchers and a outfielder.one kid went to loras one to judson and one to a community college near notre dame.. the guy who runs it says the chicago suburban area has the 4th largest recruiting interest.great gpa and ACT scores.
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Post by tewks on Jul 29, 2011 18:39:36 GMT -8
Brett,lil woggy got invited by his high school coach to a junior invitational here in the chicago area.Only about 2 kids per team get to go per conference.then each conference plays each other.there are about 70 pitchers and 200 kids total.each pitcher will get about 2 innings.lat year there were 125 college and pro scouts that were in attendance.My boy is not a top prospect by any means whatsoever.he's a right that tops at 84 this junior year.He's 6 foot and about 150. last year every kid from our school got some sort of offer.I am not sure if junior will want to play for some d 3 school in the middle of nowhere and i certainly do not blame him.Are there ant tips you can give him for a good showing? I know the radar guns all come out on EVERY pitch so I KNOW speed is IMPORTANT and BODY LANGUAGE too.Would it be wrong to start batter off with a curve ball and junk him to death? i hear at d3 speed and grades are all that matter.Anything you or anyone else can add that can help him "look" better? Wog, Bottom line is that if you feel the need to 'change' his approach just because there are scouts in the stands then you should think about his overall approach. That is the problem with showcases...they create a mindset of changing your approach to impress a coach in an inning or two. Many scouts will vouch for the fact that showcases have gone a long way in hindering the development of players.
When I say 'players,' I mean players who know how to play the game. Showcases are there to show your tools, not how you use them to win ballgames. There is value in showing off your tools, but if you have to change your approach to show them, then you will go backwards as a player. I would encourage little Wog to pitch confidently and to his strengths, whatever they may be. Every kid from your sons school got an offer last year? Really? Don't make me call you out on that Wog...I need details. I really like the bold above.
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Post by wogdoggy on Aug 2, 2011 10:19:46 GMT -8
Wog, Bottom line is that if you feel the need to 'change' his approach just because there are scouts in the stands then you should think about his overall approach. That is the problem with showcases...they create a mindset of changing your approach to impress a coach in an inning or two. Many scouts will vouch for the fact that showcases have gone a long way in hindering the development of players.
When I say 'players,' I mean players who know how to play the game. Showcases are there to show your tools, not how you use them to win ballgames. There is value in showing off your tools, but if you have to change your approach to show them, then you will go backwards as a player. I would encourage little Wog to pitch confidently and to his strengths, whatever they may be. Every kid from your sons school got an offer last year? Really? Don't make me call you out on that Wog...I need details. I really like the bold above. me too and thats the advice we used in the showcase.he was invited as a pitcher only which was OK with me EVEN though he is a helluva shortstop.he got to pitch 1 inning one day and another on the second day.funny part is i just put the camera away and his name is being announced for an AT BAT..next thing you know he's ripping a shot into right field 10 feet over the second basemans head ..there were over 100 colleges and pro scouts there for the weekend event.My boy has "interest" from about 5 or 6 schools.2 d two schools one in the NAIA.and three or four D threes for pitching.these schools have all invited him for a visit and at least 3 are VERY interested.Can somebody help me here and advise me what to do next? what does early signing involve? is this a good idea? whats the next step ? any ideas or guidance would be greatly appreciated..he gets bigger and better everyyear,,should i be patient
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Post by Brett on Aug 2, 2011 10:35:56 GMT -8
me too and thats the advice we used in the showcase.he was invited as a pitcher only which was OK with me EVEN though he is a helluva shortstop.he got to pitch 1 inning one day and another on the second day.funny part is i just put the camera away and his name is being announced for an AT BAT..next thing you know he's ripping a shot into right field 10 feet over the second basemans head ..there were over 100 colleges and pro scouts there for the weekend event.My boy has "interest" from about 5 or 6 schools.2 d two schools one in the NAIA.and three or four D threes for pitching.these schools have all invited him for a visit and at least 3 are VERY interested.Can somebody help me here and advise me what to do next? what does early signing involve? is this a good idea? whats the next step ? any ideas or guidance would be greatly appreciated..he gets bigger and better everyyear,,should i be patient Wog, If you have 5-6 schools that want him and playing time is his #1 priority, my advice always would be: Go where you are wanted the most. Some kids are school first, baseball second. Some kids are baseball first, but they would rather sit the bench at Fullerton than play every day at a D2...find out what Lil' Wog's wants are and go from there.
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Post by thejet on Aug 6, 2011 7:12:38 GMT -8
I really like the bold above. me too and thats the advice we used in the showcase.he was invited as a pitcher only which was OK with me EVEN though he is a helluva shortstop.he got to pitch 1 inning one day and another on the second day.funny part is i just put the camera away and his name is being announced for an AT BAT..next thing you know he's ripping a shot into right field 10 feet over the second basemans head ..there were over 100 colleges and pro scouts there for the weekend event.My boy has "interest" from about 5 or 6 schools.2 d two schools one in the NAIA.and three or four D threes for pitching.these schools have all invited him for a visit and at least 3 are VERY interested.Can somebody help me here and advise me what to do next? what does early signing involve? is this a good idea? whats the next step ? any ideas or guidance would be greatly appreciated..he gets bigger and better everyyear,,should i be patient I wanted to support and encourage your journey through college recruiting and the choice of a college. It can be a very challenging one to do for the first time. There is a great need for more education about the process. I wish you and your son the very best. I might share a thought or two and would be glad to answer any specific questions if I can. I agree that showcases need to be viewed in the right way. They are, of course, one part of the process. For a player that can “showcase” a specific skill, like of 60 yard dash time or throwing velocity, they can be helpful. For the player that say has skills that are harder to quantify, like excellent “glove/fielding” skills say at short stop, they are not much help. In fact, if the same player that has good glove skills and has a “weak” 60 yard dash time, the showcase might actually hurt that player. I attended a really good seminar given by a travel team in the Cincinnati area. In fact, I will give Jay Basil and the Cincinnati Flames credit for it. It was really well done and very informative. There were 5 coaches there, one each from Division I, II, and III, as well as NAIA and a junior college. The coaches talked about what they had in common with the other divisions as well as what was different between of them. The rules for recruiting as well as what can be offered in scholarship money are different at each level. I agree with Brett that a team that shows high interest is a plus. I think the fit of the program with the player is very important also. Taking a look at the needs of the teams as well as the compatibility of the coaching staff and the player is a strong factor. Too, if the player has a certain academic interest that the school offers could be important as well. I also think that there needs to be more education about signing a National Letter of Intent as well as the financial aid agreements. There is a lot of ignorance about them and whether to sign a NLI of not. Usually it doesn’t make a difference, but some knowledge might make it easier if a player wants to change schools later on. I agree also that when to make a verbal commitment, if one is offered, is also a factor.
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Post by wogdoggy on Aug 8, 2011 14:06:50 GMT -8
me too and thats the advice we used in the showcase.he was invited as a pitcher only which was OK with me EVEN though he is a helluva shortstop.he got to pitch 1 inning one day and another on the second day.funny part is i just put the camera away and his name is being announced for an AT BAT..next thing you know he's ripping a shot into right field 10 feet over the second basemans head ..there were over 100 colleges and pro scouts there for the weekend event.My boy has "interest" from about 5 or 6 schools.2 d two schools one in the NAIA.and three or four D threes for pitching.these schools have all invited him for a visit and at least 3 are VERY interested.Can somebody help me here and advise me what to do next? what does early signing involve? is this a good idea? whats the next step ? any ideas or guidance would be greatly appreciated..he gets bigger and better everyyear,,should i be patient I wanted to support and encourage your journey through college recruiting and the choice of a college. It can be a very challenging one to do for the first time. There is a great need for more education about the process. I wish you and your son the very best. I might share a thought or two and would be glad to answer any specific questions if I can. I agree that showcases need to be viewed in the right way. They are, of course, one part of the process. For a player that can “showcase” a specific skill, like of 60 yard dash time or throwing velocity, they can be helpful. For the player that say has skills that are harder to quantify, like excellent “glove/fielding” skills say at short stop, they are not much help. In fact, if the same player that has good glove skills and has a “weak” 60 yard dash time, the showcase might actually hurt that player. I attended a really good seminar given by a travel team in the Cincinnati area. In fact, I will give Jay Basil and the Cincinnati Flames credit for it. It was really well done and very informative. There were 5 coaches there, one each from Division I, II, and III, as well as NAIA and a junior college. The coaches talked about what they had in common with the other divisions as well as what was different between of them. The rules for recruiting as well as what can be offered in scholarship money are different at each level. I agree with Brett that a team that shows high interest is a plus. I think the fit of the program with the player is very important also. Taking a look at the needs of the teams as well as the compatibility of the coaching staff and the player is a strong factor. Too, if the player has a certain academic interest that the school offers could be important as well. I also think that there needs to be more education about signing a National Letter of Intent as well as the financial aid agreements. There is a lot of ignorance about them and whether to sign a NLI of not. Usually it doesn’t make a difference, but some knowledge might make it easier if a player wants to change schools later on. I agree also that when to make a verbal commitment, if one is offered, is also a factor. Thanks for the help,as time move forward I hopefully he will get bettr follow up.Four coaches have invited him to come for a visit .It seemd to me there was a time frame that they could vist the school OR they wanted him to visit when the college is actually in swing.They all seemed like they wanted to schedule after august 10th into september.One of the coaches actually called him and set up a hard time visit.It is up to us to schedule the visits with two other schools{anytime we would like} after so an so date.The 4th school sent the HS coach a personal letter asking if he had any players that could play at their level that would be interested.A kid from lil wogs HS went there last year so the coach may be looking at schools he drew from before?? Anyways they want us to come and show off his skills and take a tour of the school.This was a PERSONAL e mailed letter mentioning the coaches name etc etc..so that part is legit.Ths school is convertiong to a division 2 school and tuition there is about 20k..Do we pack up and take the six hour jaunt? It cant hurt ?? Do I stay patient with scheduling the visits to the other d2 NAIA or ncaa d3 schools that are interested..is the NAIA school able to give him more money? The other schools tuitions are about 26 to 28k without room and board.sit tight? Thanks for the advice.
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Post by jazzmik on Jul 9, 2012 12:11:37 GMT -8
Here are a bunch of questions to get you going when you start making those recruiting visits...
Compiled these from posts over at HS Baseball Web
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Questions for coaches[/u]
What kind of academic support does the college provide? (tutors, etc) What is the team grade point average? What is the team graduation rate? What are some of the majors of team players? What happens if I have a class and practice conflict? What are your red-shirt procedures? Will I be red-shirted in my freshman year? Does the scholarship cover summer school? Will the scholarship cover a fifth year if necessary? At my position, what does the depth chart look like? Where do I stand on the recruiting list? What are my scholarship opportunities? How many assistant coaches are there? Are you happy with the University/administration? Are they supportive of the program and you? Is the program fully funded? How many scholarships does the program have? How many freshman do you typically bring in, either as signees or as invited walk-ons, On average how many of them are still at your school 4 years later, and... What are the normal reasons for leaving? Ask specific questions regarding how much does scholarships change over the 4 years. What does a typical mid week starter get? A starting position player? A weekend pitcher?
Questions for Team Members[/u]
Does the coach teach at the school? What is the morale of the team? Does the team like the staff? Is the coach interested in academics? Do the athletes really have to go to all classes? How long is practice? Would you go to this school if you had to choose again? What is the average class size? What are the dorms like? Are the professors accessible? Do the athletic dept. tutors do a good job? Pitching / Playing questions Who is the pitching coach? What is his pitching philosophy? What is he looking for when recruiting a pitcher for the program? What are the off season work outs? How much rest does he want his pitchers to have in the off season? Does he limit pitchers with pitch counts? How many Freshmen pitchers pitch? Are there any Freshmen starters? How many Freshmen are redshirted? Does the program recruit 2 way players? Can a pitcher DH and pitch? Are there any 2 way players on the roster?
Questions for Admissions[/u]
What is the average class size and ratio per professor? Who teaches classes? (Professors, teacher assistants) What is enrollment of college? How is my major regarded? What percent of graduates from my major receive jobs within three months of graduation? How many fraternities and sororities are available? What are the housing policies? May I sit in on a class in my major? (as a guest) How accessible are counselors to me?
Summary Questions for Yourself[/u]
Did I have a good overall feeling about the school? Would I go to school here if I wasn't going to play sports? Will I fit into the athletic program? Am I satisfied with the living arrangements? Am I satisfied with the academic opportunities?
Many additional questions will, and should, come up throughout your recruiting process. The bottom line in choosing a college is simple.... Choose a school that you would go to if you were not going to play sports!
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Post by turn2 on Jul 29, 2013 17:24:09 GMT -8
I have read many times about good grades being important. What is considered good grades?
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Post by turn2 on Jul 30, 2013 7:41:38 GMT -8
I hadn't read this thread before: Great post by Jazzmilk on recruiting questions. Whatever happened to Lil Wog? Whatever happened to big Woggy? (Dodging bullets in ChiTown?) Turn If your asking about grades that isn't a good sign. Grades are important in and of themselves but also very important because coaches like to add academic money to athletic money. It's probably the first question from the big time schools. As far as what constitutes good grades, it depends on the school. Harvard is different from FSU is different from JUCO. I will say it is much much tougher for kids today. Much tougher. Kharma I Thanks Kharma. My boy gets good grades at a private school. His counselor discussed some possible CA. D1's and D2's where he would be eligible. I was curious for the "average" would be for D1, D2, and D3's.
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Post by Brett on Jul 30, 2013 13:56:09 GMT -8
Thanks Kharma. My boy gets good grades at a private school. His counselor discussed some possible CA. D1's and D2's where he would be eligible. I was curious for the "average" would be for D1, D2, and D3's. Not sure what the average is, but I would consider good grades anything above a 3.0. 3.5 to 4.0 doesn't hurt either. I've been out of school for so long now I can't accurately comment on what each division and school are looking for. It should go without saying that the better grades you get, the easier it is to get accepted.
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Post by wogdoggy on Dec 30, 2013 9:08:48 GMT -8
I hadn't read this thread before: Great post by Jazzmilk on recruiting questions. Whatever happened to Lil Wog? Whatever happened to big Woggy? (Dodging bullets in ChiTown?) Turn If your asking about grades that isn't a good sign. Grades are important in and of themselves but also very important because coaches like to add academic money to athletic money. It's probably the first question from the big time schools. As far as what constitutes good grades, it depends on the school. Harvard is different from FSU is different from JUCO. I will say it is much much tougher for kids today. Much tougher. Kharma I
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